How appropriate. :D

YouTube - One Fast Miata

Fast....But you still can't polish a turd. :hoon:

is that a monster miata?

is that a monster miata?


not sure. it says it's a turbo miata only...no specs....anyone else know?

ah then it wouldn't be a monster miata

ford power 3.8L ftw! ...NOT..


damn thats a quick little thing..

where's the one of mardi in the maxima destroying the LS1 camaro? Or Andy beating the Mustang at Irwindale?

where's the one of mardi in the maxima destroying the LS1 camaro? Or Andy beating the Mustang at Irwindale?

uh.....i don't know. my eyes hurt and i'm going back to work. You look for them.

where's the one of mardi in the maxima destroying the LS1 camaro? Or Andy beating the Mustang at Irwindale?

somewhere in my hard drive...

i was referring to Alfonso. Surf through your porn and post it up

One Maxima out of how many? :hoon:

all it takes is one

all it takes is one

What does he run in street mode? ;) BTW: That one is not out here...we all know the there is nitrous in the air back east. :bow:

I think 14.1 @ 118mph, heh.

We had Andy and Aaron out here

don't most "monster miatas" have Ford V8's in them?:wave: :fluff2:

LS1's too

allow me to introduce my highschool comparison to this...

when a senior male (V8's) hooks up with a freshman chick (Honda's, Nissan's, Mazda's...so on and so on)...it's normal, so no one makes a big deal about it, you just tell ur buddies and chalk her up to the list

now...when a freshman male (Honda's, Nissan's, Mazda's, so on and so on) bangs a hot senior chick (V8's)...well it's the greatest thing to happen all year, and other freshmen share in that one guys pride, and feel better about themselves and think that maybe they to have a chance...so the balance of life is restored when they attempt to, and get shot down and made fun off by all the other seniors, juniors, sophomores, and even some freshmen that were smart enough to know that, just because one guy did it, it doesn't mean you can as well...

thank u for your time

good analogy

thank you...

ah, but you see... there are many times where the seniors are real pompous pricks with their head up the ass. This often times leads them what we freshman call senior tunnel vision. The condition leads many the poor senior to be surpassed, owned, ridiculed, and laughed at by the rest of society. Because afterall when the seniors graduate to the next level (college), they are freshman once again.

The point: When American companies can finally compete in modern day international competition with the Japanese and European counterparts, then they'll be considered on par.

Thank you so much, please come again

ah, but you see... there are many times where the seniors are real pompous pricks with their head up the ass. This often times leads them what we freshman call senior tunnel vision. The condition leads many the poor senior to be surpassed, owned, ridiculed, and laughed at by the rest of society. Because afterall when the seniors graduate to the next level (college), they are freshman once again.

The point: When American companies can finally compete in modern day international competition with the Japanese and European counterparts, then they'll be considered on par.

Thank you so much, please come again
so what exactly were we arguing here...American cars vs the world...American society vs the world...American sports vs the world...American (Domestic) vs what again???

I was referring to our cars, the cars on our boards that we currently own...not the car your friend has, or the car that you saw on the internet...I'm talking about the actual cars, registered under our names, that we in fact have the keys for and can get together with and race...

that's what I was referring to...yes though, you are right...American car makers have a long way to go to catch up to the Imports...but I don't agree that they have a long way to go to catch up to Japanese car makers...not in the performance level anyways...as for sales...well then yes...Japan is reaming us royally as we speak...but the US has never had to catch up to Japan performance wise...it's always been the US fighting with Europe over performance dominance...and Japan came in and joined the fight way after it had already started...but sadly are still stuck in 3rd place

please don't change the subject halfway when you lost an argument...it only makes you seem like a whiny lil girl when you go from starting an Import > Domestic thread, get your point taken away, and then switch it to the overall state of car manufacturing

so what exactly were we arguing here...American cars vs the world...American society vs the world...American sports vs the world...American (Domestic) vs what again???

I was referring to our cars, the cars on our boards that we currently own...not the car your friend has, or the car that you saw on the internet...I'm talking about the actual cars, registered under our names, that we in fact have the keys for and can get together with and race...

that's what I was referring to...yes though, you are right...American car makers have a long way to go to catch up to the Imports...but I don't agree that they have a long way to go to catch up to Japanese car makers...not in the performance level anyways...as for sales...well then yes...Japan is reaming us royally as we speak...but the US has never had to catch up to Japan performance wise...it's always been the US fighting with Europe over performance dominance...and Japan came in and joined the fight way after it had already started...but sadly are still stuck in 3rd place

please don't change the subject halfway when you lost an argument...it only makes you seem like a whiny lil girl when you go from starting an Import > Domestic thread, get your point taken away, and then switch it to the overall state of car manufacturing

-shrug-
You didn't quite mention what you were talking about in the first place (personal cars, race cars, global cars, etc), you only make references to vehicle makes. And considering the thread wasn't started by me nor does it make references to any of the personal cars owned by people on this board, I fail to see your point on where you were referencing personal cars of the the people on this board

I didn't purposely change the subject, I merely replied in the humorous approach you took to your post, which caused you to get all butt hurt about it. What am I to do? You calling names is more juvenile than me being a "whiny lil girl", which btw I don't recall me ever complaining or mentioning that imports are god's gift to mankind. As for your first question, you should ask the owner of the site who created this forum as to the meaning of import vs. domestic.

there are 3 types of people in this world...dicks. pussies, and assholes.

pussies dont like dicks because pussies get fucked by dicks. But dicks also fuck assholes. Assholes that just want to shit on everything. Pussies may think they can deal with assholes their way. But the only thing that can fuck a asshole is a dick, with some balls. The problem with dicks is they fuck too much or fuck when it isn't appropriate. And it takes a pussy to show them that. But sometimes pussies can be so full of shit that they become assholes themselves. Because pussies are an inch and half away from assholes. I don't know much about this crazy crazy world, but I do know this. If you don't let us fuck this asshole we're going to have our dicks and pussies all covered in shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

what exactly do domestic cars need to catch up to jap cars? what quantifiable factors? no "oh man i saw F&F and eclipses are rad!" type bullshit, but real tangible aspects of a car.

I'd like to know that as well.

My car is very nicely equipped and has had zero problems since I bought it.

Making raw power edge definitely goes to domestics. They say nothing beats displacement, right?

If you pair up a 03-04 Mustang Cobra against a 350Z or G35 or RX-8(yuck) or what have you, Cobra wins all the time. Period.

But sometimes you buy a car for more reason than 'my-car-will-smoke-you-each-and-every-time-we-race'. I think most people buys cars after making a careful consideration as to power-comfort-affordability-reliablity-and more. If I could own more than one car, heck i'd definitely get one for the road and other for straight up blowing doors off other cars. And if you're one of these guys, good for you. You earned it. But for the rest of us(me included), I do more driving stuck in traffic then i'm not, I do spend more time sitting inside the car than showing it off at shows, so I have to consider other things.

So that's why I bought my car, not a 350Z, cuz it has better amenities than a 350Z yet comes with pretty much identical drive train/suspension. So, if i had to stuck in traffic, i won't have to suffer too much from sqeaking hard plastic interior, yet if i wanted to go a bit faster, it's not a total slug either.

This is just my opinion but when i sit in a domestic cars, the material they use for the interior is just not as high quality as imports. So are the fit-and-finish. Granted, i've set in many domestic cars, Ford, Chevy & Dodge and others, and they are making a very good effort to improve these qualities.

But when i hear my girl friend's sister's 2002 Chevy Tahoe making all kinds of squeaks and rattles, it just brings a frown to my face. Sure, initial quality is great but will it stand the test of time? Looking at the 2006 Tahoes and the siblings, the interior design is really attractive. But I was once more put off by the quality of the material. Too much plastic. Not enough vinyl. Even in Cadiallac Escalade. The story was the same. More domestic cars fail at this than imports. Don't get me wrong, i'm not saying import cars are built perfect and they never squeak or rattle. They most certainly do, but still not as much in numbers as domestic cars.

I hope these things get fixed. But I know they are getting better.

I had a 2002 Maxima as you all know . Do you want to dicuss all the issues with that car, from the front hood, to wind noise from the rear left door etc. Mine was one of the last that were Made in Japan.

my car rattled like hell till i got subframe connectors, now there is just a loud whine from the engine compartment.

Take it to Ford and have that looked at. It's common on 03-04 Cobras, but not on 01's. :)

I had a 2002 Maxima as you all know . Do you want to dicuss all the issues with that car, from the front hood, to wind noise from the rear left door etc. Mine was one of the last that were Made in Japan.
I want in!! I had a 2002 Maxima!! I had:

1) Hood wobble
2) Door rattles
3) Pinging engine on 91 octane
4) Broken accelerator
5) Rear door wind noise

Shit....That car went through at least 4 Nissan recalls when I owned it. My 06 GT has had 0 recalls and besides one rattle which I just need to fix (and I can, I just need the right part) there has been nothing wrong with it.

Take it to Ford and have that looked at. It's common on 03-04 Cobras, but not on 01's. :)
hmm i may have to do that

I had a 2002 Maxima as you all know . Do you want to dicuss all the issues with that car, from the front hood, to wind noise from the rear left door etc. Mine was one of the last that were Made in Japan.

i didn't say Japanese cars were perfect....Nissans had their own quality control issues too. But to that, my 2000 rarely ever had any problems with that. All the problems were pretty much my own creations...

I had to visit a dealership 2 times in almost 5 years and close to 135,000 miles. Once for a failed alternator and the other time for replacing a reverse light sensor.

Hondas and Toyotas usually fair better than Nissans, Subarus and other Japanese makes.

2- crank sensors
2- cam sensors
1- snapped brake line
1- front left bearing
1- bad abs line
1- blown tranny
2- bad MAF sensors
1- shitload of paint chips on crappy Nissan paint
I know someone once blammed it on me racing it at the track. That's pretty lame if you ask me. My brother is currently about to replace his Maf for the 2nd time too. I like the car a lot and it rode nicely, but you can't tell me that imports are made so much superior than domestics. All you have to do is go on maxima.org and read all the tsb's. Oh, and not you Andy, you're banned from there. :wave:


Oh, and Greg Vogel better stop pulling up next to me on the freeway in that riced out altima he drives. :finger:

2- crank sensors
2- cam sensors
1- snapped brake line
1- front left bearing
1- bad abs line
1- blown tranny
2- bad MAF sensors
1- shitload of paint chips on crappy Nissan paint
I know someone once blammed it on me racing it at the track. That's pretty lame if you ask me. My brother is currently about to replace his Maf for the 2nd time too. I like the car a lot and it rode nicely, but you can't tell me that imports are made so much superior than domestics. All you have to do is go on maxima.org and read all the tsb's. Oh, and not you Andy, you're banned from there. :wave:


Oh, and Greg Vogel better stop pulling up next to me on the freeway in that riced out altima he drives. :finger:


Gosh darn it. Come on Gio. I'm speaking in general terms here. I'm not singling you out! Give me some slack!!! :)

And you know it. You seriously beat the crap out of your Maxima. :D

1- shitload of paint chips on crappy Nissan paint


Thats funny you mention that, both of my Maximas had a fuck load of chips on the bumpers and hood. My Stang and Expedition both are pretty good (knock on wood) with just 1 or 2. I do notice that Fords paint seems thicker.

Gosh darn it. Come on Gio. I'm speaking in general terms here. I'm not singling you out! Give me some slack!!! :)

And you know it. You seriously beat the crap out of your Maxima. :D

You think I baby my stang, and my previous 89 Fox, or my ws6 ? :trd:

I did own a 99 Grand Cherokee that was a pile of shit.

With anything, there are exceptions and averages. My '02 Maxima has been pretty good in terms of repairs. But having a kickass extended warranty helps. Other than shitty wheel bearings and stuck rear calipers, most of my repairs have been fairly inexpensive and ones that were covered under my powertrain warranty as well. Currently at 85k miles. Quit bitchin' Gio.

Eat me Tim....:banana:

+1 one more for shitty Nissan Maxima paint. :wave:

Thats funny you mention that, both of my Maximas had a fuck load of chips on the bumpers and hood. My Stang and Expedition both are pretty good (knock on wood) with just 1 or 2. I do notice that Fords paint seems thicker.


ok, i'll be the first one to admit it. I hate Nissan paint. Shit load of orange peel from OEM paint. Even Hyundai Sonata now gets a primer dip. Nissan needs to do a little better on their paint quality. Black Nissans/Inifintis are the worst offenders.

ok, i'll be the first one to admit it. I hate Nissan paint. Shit load of orange peel from OEM paint. Even Hyundai Sonata now gets a primer dip. Nissan needs to do a little better on their paint quality. Black Nissans/Inifintis are the worst offenders.

Yes, both of mine are/were black. My 92 needs a new paint job and I cant wait.

You think I baby my stang, and my previous 89 Fox, or my ws6 ? :trd:.
Give me a few things that went wrong with these selections.

Well, a few weeks ago, you did say you are now driving like a granny. :)

I did own a 99 Grand Cherokee that was a pile of shit.

what the hell were you thinking? :D

My stang has 49k miles and no paint chips.

My stang has 49k miles and no paint chips.


I wish I could say the same thing for my bumper, but then again, I hit 2 tire treads in one week. Almost broke off one of my splash guards and scratched my front lip. Hate driving in LA. :trd:

-shrug-
You didn't quite mention what you were talking about in the first place (personal cars, race cars, global cars, etc), you only make references to vehicle makes. And considering the thread wasn't started by me nor does it make references to any of the personal cars owned by people on this board, I fail to see your point on where you were referencing personal cars of the the people on this board

I didn't purposely change the subject, I merely replied in the humorous approach you took to your post, which caused you to get all butt hurt about it. What am I to do? You calling names is more juvenile than me being a "whiny lil girl", which btw I don't recall me ever complaining or mentioning that imports are god's gift to mankind. As for your first question, you should ask the owner of the site who created this forum as to the meaning of import vs. domestic.
you're right...I was wrong, it wasn't you that started this thread...it was Blitz...so I apologize for making that mistake towards you

now don't get me wrong...I'm just a car guy, I could care less who or what kind it is...I've had 3 imports before I got my Mach 1, with my best one being a 94 Prelude Si that was stolen and eventually stripped in Mexico...:sad:

so I understand what you're saying about the nicer interior's and more things to make the car comfortable...but then again, I've never been a fan of that...

all I care about in a car is that the stereo works and that it runs safely...the rest is just icing on the cake...and I'll always take a practical car to an un-practical one just to say I have it...

I don't like having all sorts of crap inside my car, I don't like having all sorts of fancy electronical gizmos in my car...cause when I'm in my car all I wanna do is drive...

the topic of this thread was Import vs Domestics...which then listed a video of a Mazda Miata (Import) vs a Ford Mustang (Domestic) at a track, in which the Mazda won. Thereby implying "Import's are better than domestic's in a drag race"...am I wrong on that part???

now if you want, we can break down all the video I have recorded myself at the street legal drag races in Fontana and count the number of times something like that really happens...and then we'll count the number of times a Camaro or Mustang did that to an import...

that's what I thought we were arguing...

oh and whiny lil bitch part was just to hopefully incite more responses...so I apologize for that as well

the topic of this thread was Import vs Domestics...which then listed a video of a Mazda Miata (Import) vs a Ford Mustang (Domestic) at a track, in which the Mazda won. Thereby implying "Import's are better than domestic's in a drag race"...am I wrong on that part???

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

Why are you people so defensive??? I feel like i'm talking to a wall! It's a video, no more than that! I'm not trying to say Import this and import that! I'm over it. I just found a video that showed a freaking Miata(really, a Miata) running a super fast 1/4mile. I didn't mean anything, i just thought it was a super cool video.....cuz really, when was the last time you saw a Miata turning in time slips that fast? uh...like been a while.

please don't interpret more than what's on the surface. I know there have been alot of heated arguments back and forth, but seriously, I didn't mean to say "Import's are better than domestic's in a drag race">>>>> wrong. wrong.

I wish I could say the same thing for my bumper, but then again, I hit 2 tire treads in one week. Almost broke off one of my splash guards and scratched my front lip. Hate driving in LA. :trd:

Fuckin I-5 in La destroyed my last Mach1 lip. Some concrete block on the road. :sqt:

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

Why are you people so defensive??? I feel like i'm talking to a wall! It's a video, no more than that! I'm not trying to say Import this and import that! I'm over it. I just found a video that showed a freaking Miata(really, a Miata) running a super fast 1/4mile. I didn't mean anything, i just thought it was a super cool video.....cuz really, when was the last time you saw a Miata turning in time slips that fast? uh...like been a while.

please don't interpret more than what's on the surface. I know there have been alot of heated arguments back and forth, but seriously, I didn't mean to say "Import's are better than domestic's in a drag race">>>>> wrong. wrong.
well...this part of the forum is for just that...to incite many heated arguments...

and don't worry bro, I don't get heated at all over stuff like that...like I said, I'm not even an only Mustang guy...I'd take a Camaro SS if I coulda got it for the same price I got my Mach...shit, before I got it, I was actually in the market for an SRT-4...but no one had the black ACR I wanted

if all you were trying to do was post a video, which is a good video cause that Miata is bad ass if it runs those times...then you shoulda just posted it in the Media section instead of the Imports vs Domestics section...since it is supposedly the section for us to hash out our hating differences

:fluff2:

well...this part of the forum is for just that...to incite many heated arguments...

and don't worry bro, I don't get heated at all over stuff like that...like I said, I'm not even an only Mustang guy...I'd take a Camaro SS if I coulda got it for the same price I got my Mach...shit, before I got it, I was actually in the market for an SRT-4...but no one had the black ACR I wanted

if all you were trying to do was post a video, which is a good video cause that Miata is bad ass if it runs those times...then you shoulda just posted it in the Media section instead of the Imports vs Domestics section...since it is supposedly the section for us to hash out our hating differences

:fluff2:


oh...ok....then it's my bad......i should have clearified a bit more....:wave:

clarified too

clarified too


why don't you give me a goddamn spell checker so i don't look like a goddamn fob! :rofl:

cause that would eliminate a source of entertainment for me

cause that would eliminate a source of entertainment for me


yeah....Gio told me about you.....you....you are a baaaaaddd person. :bow:

i am a horrible man.

why don't you give me a goddamn spell checker so i don't look like a goddamn fob! :rofl:
there is a spell checker...it's on the top right of the reply and quick reply box...

it's got "ABC" and a check mark...

there is a spell checker...it's on the top right of the reply and quick reply box...

it's got "ABC" and a check mark...

thanks for your 'clarification'. I mighty appreciate that. :wave:

thanks for your 'clarification'. I mighty appreciate that. :wave:
keeping you safe from the Der Fuhrer himself

keeping you safe from the Fuhrer himself

:bow:

you're right...I was wrong, it wasn't you that started this thread...it was Blitz...so I apologize for making that mistake towards you

now don't get me wrong...I'm just a car guy, I could care less who or what kind it is...I've had 3 imports before I got my Mach 1, with my best one being a 94 Prelude Si that was stolen and eventually stripped in Mexico...:sad:

so I understand what you're saying about the nicer interior's and more things to make the car comfortable...but then again, I've never been a fan of that...

all I care about in a car is that the stereo works and that it runs safely...the rest is just icing on the cake...and I'll always take a practical car to an un-practical one just to say I have it...

I don't like having all sorts of crap inside my car, I don't like having all sorts of fancy electronical gizmos in my car...cause when I'm in my car all I wanna do is drive...

the topic of this thread was Import vs Domestics...which then listed a video of a Mazda Miata (Import) vs a Ford Mustang (Domestic) at a track, in which the Mazda won. Thereby implying "Import's are better than domestic's in a drag race"...am I wrong on that part???

now if you want, we can break down all the video I have recorded myself at the street legal drag races in Fontana and count the number of times something like that really happens...and then we'll count the number of times a Camaro or Mustang did that to an import...

that's what I thought we were arguing...

oh and whiny lil bitch part was just to hopefully incite more responses...so I apologize for that as well

Well, thank you for being thorough and polite in your response. Good grief is that hard to come by nowadays.

I think I can only count 2-3 times where a import has pulled off a domestic like that in a video (and its usually because it was heavily modified). Yes, everyone makes a big deal about it and yes, it is quite pathetic at times. Its kind of the David vs. Goliath factor (yea, we won!)

As for arguing about which car is better, that's just beating on a dead horse. Every car has its pros and cons. Its hard enough dealing with Nissan vs Honda or Ford vs. Chevy!

The good thing about these threads is that I always learn/see something new. That was how I learned about the Mach1, when I got my ass handed to me on the highway because I couldn't tell the difference (then gio laughed his ass off when I confirmed a Mach1 picture he posted up) - and the funny thing is that I never really race either, but it was just one of those days

Yorchi is always polite. He's one of the few messicans I know who is. :)

I'm a nice guy...rarely do I start drama or take anything personally...unless you say or do it in person...

yeah...I knew about Mach's in high school when my friend had an old school one...back in high school I was really into imports cause they looked better and everyone had one...

but the day I went for a ride in my friends 70 something Mach was the day I chose speed over looks or bling...

I get ragged on alot by my lil brother's friends who race other Mustang guys with V6's that talk more shit than Beau does and constantly hand them their ass...but it got very old after a month or two of constant stupid shit talk so I called out their fastest guy, a dude in a very nicely built civic with a b16 that I was actually a lil scared of...

called him out in front of his friends, saying hey I'm tired of the shit talk...you can talk shit about anyone u beat, but don't say shit about me until you either beat me, or see my time slip is slower than yours...so we raced...needless to say I don't hear shit from him anymore...3 bus lengths will do that to a guy you know

Import 0
Domestic 1

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f315/sdgtmike/22.jpg

Domestic, Domestic, Import

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f315/sdgtmike/5-1.jpg

Domestic 2
Import 0

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f315/sdgtmike/IMG_5631.jpg

Domestic 3
Import 0

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f315/sdgtmike/IMG_4601.jpg

but they have nicer interiors Mike...aren't you jealous they're more comfortable when they're stuck in traffic then we are

Nope. I'm jealous that those are the only photos I've got with me in front and about 150 with me behind other cars.:wawa: :banana2:

the beauty of editing :D I like how they were all conveniently placed behind you... heh

Domestic 3
Import 0



Interesting how the pics were taken before they passed you. No doubt a Mustangs can pass some cars, but Porsches and 360's at 10/10th's, hardly. Would take a lot of mods, while the others are stock.
Cool pics anyways.

the beauty of editing :D I like how they were all conveniently placed behind you... heh
hahaha...blasphemy!

Interesting how the pics were taken before they passed you. No doubt a Mustangs can pass some cars, but Porsches and 360's at 10/10th's, hardly. Would take a lot of mods, while the others are stock.
Cool pics anyways.

Sorry to dissapoint you. I was in front of those cars.

In drag racing, they would rape me. On the road course, I did pass them and stayed in front of them. Road Racing is all about the driver, the car doesn't mean shit.

I've passed many cars on the track that would kill me in a straight line acceleration contest. However, add turning, braking, and accelerating, and now the car doesn't do it all for you. The driver's skill has more to do with being faster, than the car being driven.

Once again, Domestics, win.

Sorry to dissapoint you. I was in front of those cars.

In drag racing, they would rape me. On the road course, I did pass them and stayed in front of them. Road Racing is all about the driver, the car doesn't mean shit.

I've passed many cars on the track that would kill me in a straight line acceleration contest. However, add turning, braking, and accelerating, and now the car doesn't do it all for you. The driver's skill has more to do with being faster, than the car being driven.

Thats pretty impressive... a Stang outbraking, out handling, and out accelerating a Ferrari Modena on a track. Lets get some in car videos!!

Thats pretty impressive... a Stang outbraking, out handling, and out accelerating a Ferrari Modena on a track. Lets get some in car videos!!

No, it was a driver outbraking, out handling, and out accelerating another driver. A more daring driver could take that Modena to faster lap times. But a Mustang guy isn't losing $200k if he stuffs the car into a wall.

not daring, more skilled. big difference.

Owning an exotic doesn't always make you a good driver. It's like BMW drivers. Owning " The ultimate driving machine "....doesn't make YOU " The ultimate driver ".

what? it doesn't? waste of money

if my ferrari starts getting passed by lesser cars, i'd rather crash it than anything else... haha

if my ferrari starts getting passed by lesser cars, i'd rather crash it than anything else... haha

No, that just means you need to take a driving school to learn how to use it!

Road Racing is all about the driver, the car doesn't mean shit.

could you pass them in my Festiva???

:hoon:

could you pass them in my Festiva???

:hoon:
at the auto-x last year at qualcomm, i saw a rented cavalier driven by an instructor pull better times than M3's and M5's...

at the auto-x last year at qualcomm, i saw a rented cavalier driven by an instructor pull better times than M3's and M5's...

But which one would you prefer in your driveway? Nuff said.

But which one would you prefer in your driveway? Nuff said.
Festiva...

BMW in the garage...duh!

Sorry to dissapoint you. I was in front of those cars.

In drag racing, they would rape me. On the road course, I did pass them and stayed in front of them. Road Racing is all about the driver, the car doesn't mean shit.

I've passed many cars on the track that would kill me in a straight line acceleration contest. However, add turning, braking, and accelerating, and now the car doesn't do it all for you. The driver's skill has more to do with being faster, than the car being driven.


yeah...tell me about it. I once passed this C5 Corvette at the Willow Springs. I was in my 00 Maxima. I thought I was seeing things. My Maxima would have been raped by that Corvette on a straightaway. Somehow that guy never caught up. :wave:

if my ferrari starts getting passed by lesser cars, i'd rather crash it than anything else... haha

no....if that happened, i'll just bitch-slap you and take the car away from you.:D

Owning " The ultimate driving machine "....doesn't make YOU " The ultimate driver ".

that's my line. You owe me $1. :banana:

could you pass them in my Festiva???

:hoon:

One of the instructors drives an almost stock Focus and rapes everyone out there.

One of the instructors drives an almost stock Focus and rapes everyone out there.

But it gets to a point where the car's limited ability surpasses all driver skill

focus have good stock suspension. and a super stiff chassis. i can three wheel my car around corners and i only have springs and almost blown struts.

yea its all in the driver.

But it gets to a point where the car's limited ability surpasses all driver skill

Not really. But, if you know how late you can brake (and how little) and the perfect angle to hit the turns, you can carry a higher exit speed AND get on the throttle sooner.

Drag racing: faster car = winner
Road Racing: faster driver = winner, car doesn't mean much

The only reason I could pass the Viper and Ferrari is because I was braking later and on the gas sooner. Yes the car could kill me, but the driver didn't know how to drive it on a track.

Just having speed isn't enough. If you're turning too early or too late, you lose speed or go off track. It's all about the driver, not the car.

but given equal drivers, the more suspensioned and powered car will go faster! :D

i need to start driving

or a sports car with R-compound tires versus a kia with stock 195's :D

more suspensioned and powered


Sadly, I have neither. :mecry:

Sadly, I have neither. :mecry:

i have one :D

though you have to subtract the good driver mod from me :doh:

not daring, more skilled. big difference.
It's not "more skilled" he was "skilldered" then the other drivers.

Fast....But you still can't polish a turd. :hoon:

actually you can, i polished one of mine the other day, came out quite nice with the mothers powerball

slo65, your car looks mean as hell, very nice.

But which one would you prefer in your driveway? Nuff said.
yes, just like i'd prefer a Mustang Cobra in my driveway over a maxima with a bodykit and 200 hp.

slo65, your car looks mean as hell, very nice.

thanks mang

slo65, your car looks mean as hell, very nice.
good things it "LOOKS" mean...

Yorchi 1...Slo65 0

actually you can, i polished one of mine the other day, came out quite nice with the mothers powerball
Good to know. Did you wash your hands?