View Full Version : Here Comes the Next Mortgage Crisis


djc
04-17-2008, 12:47 AM
Subprime was just the beginning. Wait until California's prime borrowers start handing their keys to the bank.

California is to mortgage lending what Chicago is to pork bellies. For years, that meant it was a place with soaring house values; today, the foreclosure rate across the state is twice the national average and going up fast. Riverside County, outside Los Angeles, may be the foreclosure capital of the country, with a rate close to six times the national average. And housing prices are in freefall.
California should be the poster child for a mortgage-loan bailout. In few other places have so many taken on such onerous debts with so little equity. Unfortunately, the crisis in California is going to get much worse, and there is no bailout that will solve it. Why? Because if the first stage of the foreclosure crisis was about people who could not afford their mortgages, the next stage will be about people who have every reason not even to try to pay their mortgages.
Over the next several months, we're going to be subjected to a chorus of hand-wringing about the moral turpitude of people who walk away from their mortgages and pronouncements like last month's warning (http://www.ustreas.gov/press/releases/hp856.htm) from Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson that people should honor their mortgage obligations. The problem with finger-wagging on what you "should" or "ought" to do is that, when it comes to money, you're usually given the lecture only when it's in your interest to do the opposite. Certainly, that's the case for all the California homeowners who in the next year or two are going to find themselves with the choice of whether, faced with a huge new wave of interest resets and a historic decline (http://www.subprimeinsight.com/?p=28) in the value of their homes, they will simply walk away.


First, those home prices: For a weird few months of the mortgage crisis, statisticians came up with peculiar numbers about home values, rolling out comforting stats showing single-digit declines. Well, that's over.
Last month, the California Realtors' association (folks who in October managed to "project" that prices would fall 4 percent in 2008) reported that, actually, California house prices in February fell 26 percent (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/laland/2008/03/california-free.html) from a year ago. In the places where the foreclosure boom has hit hardest, it's worse.
A quick, almost random survey of some foreclosure prices in Southern and Central California:

In San Bernardino, a house bought for $310,000 in 2005 is now being offered by the bank for $199,900.
A 2,000-square-foot ranch house in Rancho Santa Margarita is down from $775,000 to $565,000.
A starter home in Sacramento, sold for $215,000 in 2004, is now down to $129,900.These are not sale prices. They are asking prices. Don't doubt that they are negotiable.
Unfortunately, when it comes to the California crash, these striking numbers are not the end. They are the beginning. (To give Paulson his due, he said that, too.) Which brings us to the other scary part of the California story: a coming wave of interest-rate resets in prime loans given to people with good credit that are just as bad, or worse, than we've seen in subprime.

http://www.slate.com/id/2188982/

SD KB
04-17-2008, 01:36 AM
Anyone with the ability to pay but voluntarily walks away, should be thrown in jail. Fraud. Broken Contract. Something.

This is a country full of people who don't want to take responsibility for anything. I work in retail and deal with about 300 people a day. It is amazing how many of them feel nothing is ever their fault and nothing is ever good enough, no matter how "out of the way" you go for them.

People need to take their heads out of their asses and GROW THE FUCK UP.

Pay your debts, or go to jail.

Blue3vGT
04-17-2008, 07:46 PM
2010 for new homes!! :postwhore2:

Kloogy
04-17-2008, 08:44 PM
Mike, people will walk away. They make huge sacrifices to pay a mortgage. It will be very depressing for them to see that they are getting deeper and deeper in a negative equity situation. For some, it will take up to 10 years to make up what they lost in 3 years. Very sad.

SD KB
04-18-2008, 12:23 AM
It may be sad, but it is a contract. What if you are the mortgage holder? Is it fair to them for these guys to walk away if they have the ability to pay but "just don't want to?"

File bankruptcy if you want out of a mortgage, don't just walk away from it because you are upside down. Maybe you don't sell the house, and plan on living there for the next 10 years.

I'm so fucking sick of people not taking responsibility for what they do.

GummyBear
04-18-2008, 02:33 AM
I agree with the fact that people shouldn't be allowed to just walk out on their mortgages. Jail time and/or a HUGE fine should be what happens to these people.

But I will probably be looking to take advantage of this market fall in the next year or two by snatching up a $500k home for $300k or less.

djc
04-19-2008, 12:42 AM
You mean snatching up a 300k home for 300k. It was never a 500k home.

Sadly, the only recouse the lender has is taking back the property unless the owners refi'd or HELOC'd, then the "owners" are up shit creek. Since they put 0 down, they don't have any equity to lose. Glad to see the return of 20% down loans.

I'm more concerned about people who had a house, HELOC'd all the "equity" out, bought vettes, hummers, BMW's, etc, went on vacations, and now want a government "bailout" of their house in the form of reducing monies owed to today's market value, not what they paid for it.

Kloogy
04-20-2008, 05:06 PM
I guess some people pocketed the cash, and now have lost their homes. I don't know if there is anything a lender or the government can do about that